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    Rejuvenation - if gays are not going to support this then who else?


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    I just wanted to raise the awareness about two initiatives:

    - medical research trend that perceives aging as illness and REVERSIBLE epigenetic condition (citation from peer-reviewed medical journal) and that seeks therapy to prolong life (even indefinitely) and to reverse the aging. There are very sound ground for such research. The first route to rejuvenation is through induced pluripotent stem cells (iPSC), which can be generated by expression of Yamanaka factors (almost miraculous method that had been awarded Nobel prize in medicine recently) or by other means. The second route is combination of more specific therapies. If someone is more interested in this research, then good summary can be found in SENS Research foundation home page. Regarding iPSC, the worlds top journals Nature and Science and Procedings of NAS regularly publishes articles about this theme, it is one of the hottest today.

    I mean exactly that - no cosmetic surgery or similary things - but essential rejuvenation at the cell, physiological level. Of course much has to be done, but noone says today that rejuvenation is impossible anymore.

    - Rejuvenation research lacks funding, but there is political movement - US Transhumanist Party - that eagerly supports such research and any technological advancement. So - if we can not donate money for this, then political activity can count as well.

    I am sorry if I am going against forum rules with this post, but I think that this is very important question for gay community. We - gays - are so afraid of aging and we so much value the young man and we so much want to be young man again that we should catch each hope to fulfill this desire. And now Science and Politics provides path to do this. If only we all were aware of this. So - I hope that due to importance of this topic, this posts will not be deleted.

    This rejuvenation research if peer-reviewed research, SENS webpage contains more links to the published articles in the top medical journals and to the top institutions which have collaboration with SENS. Of course, there is CALICO - Californica Life Corporation by Google/Alphabet with the similar research trend but CALICO is top secret institution and noone knows that they are doing. SENS (and other similar institutions) are very open in opposite.

    Sorry, for double posting, I just wanted this theme to be available to the widest audience. I will try to remove the theme from the closed section of the forum, where it was initially posted.

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    Not all gays want to stay young forever. Perhaps I say that because I am older? At the same rate People are evil enough without prolonging their lives and therefor their potential for boredom. We have a population crisis impending and we are slowly working to where robots are replacing people in the work environment. The only thing I see coming out of this research is a ruling class forming which has access to the technology while the rest of us suffer under their rule. I can do without that. Death gives life meaning. Suffering builds character.
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    I disagree that social issues can be argument against rejuvenation. One thing we as citizens should understand - there are no any judicial limits on people power to regulate handle such issues as inequality, social injustice of poverty. We, as citizens, can decide about progressive taxes, about taxes on robots, about Universal Basic Income, about redistributional tax-transfer system, about completely free higher education (many continental European countries haves this and also universal government stipends and stipends of gap year), about life-long skill improvement programs, etc., etc., etc. Every injustice, every inequality, every problem in our society can be (and should be) handled by political means. If only we all want to have socially just country then we can have it. That is the meaning and power of democracy. Sadly, many people are politically inactive, irrational and let big money take advantage of their inactivity.

    And, in the near future - in the times of robotics and AI, there will be superabundance and it is quite possible that postcapitalists system will emerge. Marx predicted one form, but who knows what will be - everything is in the hands of the citizen.

    Making this text short - I desperately hope that we will be able to gain momentum for rejuvenation research and therapy and I will be able to experience young men at last. I can not take this life as it is, it is way too hard.

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    We can do qa lot of things if we bother to be informed but as has been seen that just does not happen, Yours is nothing more than wishful thinking that those in control will deem us worthy to share with.
    Find out just what people will quietly submit to, and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress

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    Quote Originally Posted by acke View Post
    I disagree that social issues can be argument against rejuvenation....................
    ..............Marx predicted one form, but who knows what will be - everything is in the hands of the citizen.
    I desperately hope that we will be able to gain momentum for rejuvenation research and therapy and I will be able to experience young men at last. I can not take this life as it is, it is way too hard.
    But...there are many, many social / political arguments against rejuvenation. My God !! Can you imagine a rejuvenated President Putin or Trump or Mao ?? Or our beloved Cher ?? Or the Kardashians ?? Regarding Marx, his theory has failed 100 % everywhere because it was written in the 19th century and pertained to societies of that century....Marx said that a socialist revolution can take place only in an industrial society (e.g. Germany) and yet it started in Czarist Russia and then in agrarian China. We saw the results of his theories.
    Regarding your desperate wish "to be able to experience young men at last", I couldn't agree more, we may dream about such things, but life is a bitch.
    This rejuvenation shit sounds like a hubris to me. And Hubris was a mean, punitive goddess in ancient Greek mythology that punished man's arrogance !!
    Some people are Gay, get over it !!

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    If it can be done and money can be made then history tells us that it will be done and lots of money will be made.

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    I can not take this life as it is, it is way too hard.
    Unfortunately, as I've always been taught: "Life is hard and then you die". That's just how it is. You make the most of what you have while you have it because, good or bad, nothing lasts forever. Nor should it.
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